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Rampage from bluca
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Bastian Blank
2024-08-10 18:10:03 UTC
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Hi

bluca just announced that he is going on a rampage after the CTTE
decided not to hear him. As this is the second time within a few weeks
just within the confines of #debian-boot, please remove him from the
"installer-team" on salsa, until he manages to stop this.

Evidence from #debian-systemd:

| 18:52 < bluca> I've already changed live-build to write a local etc/os-release, will do debootstrap next
| 18:53 < bluca> that should be enough for you to close those lsb-release bugs

The last one never saw a non-hack solution after
https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/partman-target/-/merge_requests/3
and
https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/partman-base/-/merge_requests/9

Bastian
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Steve McIntyre
2024-08-10 19:40:01 UTC
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Post by Bastian Blank
Hi
bluca just announced that he is going on a rampage after the CTTE
decided not to hear him. As this is the second time within a few weeks
just within the confines of #debian-boot, please remove him from the
"installer-team" on salsa, until he manages to stop this.
| 18:52 < bluca> I've already changed live-build to write a local etc/os-release, will do debootstrap next
| 18:53 < bluca> that should be enough for you to close those lsb-release bugs
I've just dropped Luca's access to the installer-team to "Guest" for
now.

Luca: *stop* now, please. Take a step back and think about how you're
approaching things and why people are unhappy with you.
--
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. ***@einval.com
We don't need no education.
We don't need no thought control.
Luca Boccassi
2024-08-10 23:40:01 UTC
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Post by Bastian Blank
Hi
bluca just announced that he is going on a rampage after the CTTE
decided not to hear him. As this is the second time within a few weeks
just within the confines of #debian-boot, please remove him from the
"installer-team" on salsa, until he manages to stop this.
I am not sure what you are talking about - the last changes I've done
in D-I are adding optional support for systemd-boot:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2024/06/msg00013.html
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/systemd-boot-installer
https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer-utils/-/merge_requests/12
https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/d-i/-/merge_requests/17
https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer/-/merge_requests/46

Everyone else seemed fine with that? What problem do you have with
this feature exactly? Why do you object to having optional support for
an alternative bootloader in the installer?

Before that, I fixed some bugs and added support for a new cryptsetup
feature to partman-crypto:

https://bugs.debian.org/1017542
https://bugs.debian.org/1053678
https://bugs.debian.org/1060422

Again nobody seemed to have a problem with any of that. That's the
extent of my work on debian-boot.

In what universe is any of this a "rampage"? Aren't you exaggerating
just a little bit? I don't think this is an appropriate way to refer
to the work of a fellow developer, even if you don't personally like
it for your own reasons.
Post by Steve McIntyre
Post by Bastian Blank
| 18:52 < bluca> I've already changed live-build to write a local etc/os-release, will do debootstrap next
| 18:53 < bluca> that should be enough for you to close those lsb-release bugs
I've just dropped Luca's access to the installer-team to "Guest" for
now.
That exchange is referring to implementing this suggestion from Timo
and Marc, which I happen to like a lot:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1077764#303

It has nothing to do with D-I, and also I am not sure what the exact
problem with the proposed change would be, and why would it warrant
removing Salsa access? Can you please elaborate?
Bastian Blank
2024-08-11 14:40:01 UTC
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Hi Luca

I find it interesting that you explicitly exclude me in your reply, but
not the other people I sent the e-mail in the first place.

But I might also note that your behaviour within
https://lwn.net/Articles/984635/ mimicks the one you employed within the
CTTE bug report. So you now dragged this conflict into an external
forum. Really?
Post by Luca Boccassi
Post by Bastian Blank
bluca just announced that he is going on a rampage after the CTTE
decided not to hear him. As this is the second time within a few weeks
just within the confines of #debian-boot, please remove him from the
"installer-team" on salsa, until he manages to stop this.
I am not sure what you are talking about - the last changes I've done
This information was skipped from the reply as irrelevant, but I
referred to the ordeal about discoverable partitions in partman. You
wouldn't have forgotten about this already?
Post by Luca Boccassi
Post by Bastian Blank
| 18:52 < bluca> I've already changed live-build to write a local etc/os-release, will do debootstrap next
| 18:53 < bluca> that should be enough for you to close those lsb-release bugs
That exchange is referring to implementing this suggestion from Timo
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1077764#303
Okay. Please fill bug reports. After reading the os-release
documentation, I don't actually see any way to do that, but I would be
interested if it actually exists.

Bastian
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Luca Boccassi
2024-08-11 16:00:01 UTC
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Hi Luca
I find it interesting that you explicitly exclude me in your reply, but
not the other people I sent the e-mail in the first place.
Just as interesting as the fact that _you_ explicitly excluded _me_ in
your first email, and that I noticed only because of the reply from
someone else that cc'ed me, I guess?
Post by Bastian Blank
But I might also note that your behaviour within
https://lwn.net/Articles/984635/ mimicks the one you employed within the
CTTE bug report. So you now dragged this conflict into an external
forum. Really?
Nice personal attack you are trying to mount there, but I'm afraid
it's both off topic and off track: I do not decide what LWN writes
articles about.
Post by Bastian Blank
Post by Luca Boccassi
Post by Bastian Blank
bluca just announced that he is going on a rampage after the CTTE
decided not to hear him. As this is the second time within a few weeks
just within the confines of #debian-boot, please remove him from the
"installer-team" on salsa, until he manages to stop this.
I am not sure what you are talking about - the last changes I've done
This information was skipped from the reply as irrelevant, but I
referred to the ordeal about discoverable partitions in partman. You
wouldn't have forgotten about this already?
You mean the MR that was closed by you, where for no reason at all you
were incredibly rude and unhelpful, and rejected it without any hint
of constructiveness? And that ended there and then, with no further
activity, there or elsewhere, and that never, ever reached either any
of the Salsa group repos or the archive, at any point in time, and
therefore only ever existed as an experimental branch in a personal
fork in a personal git repo? Because I find it very hard to find any
justification for asserting about a "rampage in debian-boot" in any of
this, at least from myself. The way you routinely behave when you
review other people's work, and when you communicate on mailing lists
such as this example, though, might very well fit the bill.
Post by Bastian Blank
Post by Luca Boccassi
Post by Bastian Blank
| 18:52 < bluca> I've already changed live-build to write a local etc/os-release, will do debootstrap next
| 18:53 < bluca> that should be enough for you to close those lsb-release bugs
That exchange is referring to implementing this suggestion from Timo
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1077764#303
Okay. Please fill bug reports. After reading the os-release
documentation, I don't actually see any way to do that, but I would be
interested if it actually exists.
It's quite simple to do, and I'll file an MR for review when I have it
ready, and I will ask other people to look at it at that point.
However, given how unpleasantly and aggressively you typically behave
when you review other people's work, and given these personal attacks
you are mounting, I will not ask for your review, and I will ask that
you please refrain from doing so.
Luca Boccassi
2024-08-13 11:30:01 UTC
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Post by Steve McIntyre
Post by Bastian Blank
Hi
bluca just announced that he is going on a rampage after the CTTE
decided not to hear him. As this is the second time within a few weeks
just within the confines of #debian-boot, please remove him from the
"installer-team" on salsa, until he manages to stop this.
I am not sure what you are talking about - the last changes I've done
https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2024/06/msg00013.html
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/systemd-boot-installer
https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer-utils/-/merge_requests/12
https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/d-i/-/merge_requests/17
https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer/-/merge_requests/46
Everyone else seemed fine with that? What problem do you have with
this feature exactly? Why do you object to having optional support for
an alternative bootloader in the installer?
Before that, I fixed some bugs and added support for a new cryptsetup
https://bugs.debian.org/1017542
https://bugs.debian.org/1053678
https://bugs.debian.org/1060422
Again nobody seemed to have a problem with any of that. That's the
extent of my work on debian-boot.
In what universe is any of this a "rampage"? Aren't you exaggerating
just a little bit? I don't think this is an appropriate way to refer
to the work of a fellow developer, even if you don't personally like
it for your own reasons.
Post by Steve McIntyre
Post by Bastian Blank
| 18:52 < bluca> I've already changed live-build to write a local etc/os-release, will do debootstrap next
| 18:53 < bluca> that should be enough for you to close those lsb-release bugs
I've just dropped Luca's access to the installer-team to "Guest" for
now.
That exchange is referring to implementing this suggestion from Timo
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1077764#303
It has nothing to do with D-I, and also I am not sure what the exact
problem with the proposed change would be, and why would it warrant
removing Salsa access? Can you please elaborate?
Hi Steve,

Given the above and my other reply, are you now satisfied that nothing
untoward has ever happened, was happening that time or is happening
now, or would you need more references/information/clarifications? I
understand that at the time you received that first mail you decided
to act quickly based on the threatening and worrying notice you were
given, and it's of course not your fault that it turned out to be,
let's say, incorrect. I ask because I am currently unable to do my job
as the (sole active) maintainer of debootstrap, which is to continue
working through the backlog of open MRs on Salsa to review them and
merge them, as I've been doing for the past couple of years, among
other things. Thank you for your consideration.
Steve McIntyre
2024-10-27 14:40:01 UTC
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So that people are aware...

Luca and I just had a good conversation about this, and we're
happy. I've given him back "Developer" rights now.
--
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. ***@einval.com
'There is some grim amusement in watching Pence try to run the typical
"politician in the middle of a natural disaster" playbook, however
incompetently, while Trump scribbles all over it in crayon and eats some
of the pages.' -- Russ Allbery
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